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Friday, January 8, 2016

Is Hillary Eligible for the Presidency?

January 07, 2016

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RUSH:  Now, folks, it's also not a surprise that the Drive-Bys would be going after Cruz. And seriously, even though they made fun and mocked anybody who was a quote/unquote "birther" back during the Obama years, it's expected.  Of course.  This is an opportunity for so much. It's quid pro quo. It's payback. Plus there's a real opportunity to take out a conservative they all hate.  So of course they're gonna take it seriously.  I'll tell you something here, folks.  You know who really, really, really might be ineligible to run for the presidency?  And it isn't Ted Cruz.  Nobody on the Republican side.  Let's examine Hillary Clinton in terms of eligibility. 

She might not be eligible to be elected president when everybody gets finished.  Look at this, 18 US Code 107: "Concealment, Removal, or Mutilation Generally: Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. ... and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States." 

...and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office..."

If she is ever indicted on this e-mail business, or if they find that she has mutilated, destroyed, hidden, or otherwise done away with documents that were classified that came under her purview? Sorry, folks. She's gotta be convicted, of course. But if that were to ever happen, she's not qualified. She's not eligible to run.  And, I'm telling you, this has as much (if not more) possibility and relevance than whatever they're trying to manufacture here about Ted Cruz.  We've gotta be very careful not to take our eyes off who the real enemy is.  It's the Democrats, folks.  It's not fellow Republicans.

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RUSH:  No, I'm dead serious, folks.  Look at this.  "Hillary Clinton’s Criminal Indictment Looms…"Yesterday was Joe diGenova saying so.  Today there's a piece at the DC Whispers blog.  "Talk of a possible indictment against former Obama Secretary of State and current Democrat presidential frontrunner, Hillary Clinton have swirled for months. Whispers now indicate that over the last forty-eight hours that talk has turned very-very serious."

I don't know what's gonna happen there, but it is ramping up.  Look, she's admitted she deleted half of the e-mails on that server.  The law is very clear here.  Now, don't misunderstand, I don't think it's automatic this is gonna happen, just like this Cruz thing.  Can I make another observation?  This is fascinating to me.  Look at the lather everybody willingly gets themselves worked up into about what citizenship is and how it's defined and then whether or not Ted Cruz can legitimately run for president.  Look at the lather this has everybody worked up into.  And yet there's hardly any concern whatsoever about what illegal noncitizens are allowed to do. 

We bend over backwards.  We extend the full welfare state and then some to the illegals who come into this country illegally.  The Democrat Party goes out of its away to find ways to keep them here.  The Democrat Party's looking for undercover ways to extend temporary quasi-citizenship to them so they could vote.  We have people that get worked up about this, obviously, about the politics of it. 

But my point is we're talking about illegal immigrants, there's much more sympathy and much more compassion, and we're told that we must be understanding.  And these are people fleeing disaster-torn areas of the world. They just want to make a better life and they come to the United States, who are we to say no.  We have somebody that's an actual citizen here, we're trying to drum 'em out of the country, we're trying to drum 'em out of the presidential race.  They're all worked up over whether or not a citizen is a citizen and then what that citizen can or cannot do.  I just find the juxtaposition of those things fascinating. 

Look, all it took was Trump bringing this up, "Hey, you know what, Ted might want to look into this.  I would hate for Ted to be sidelined by a lawsuit down the road."  And everybody, on cue, like there's a Svengali or pied piper out there, everybody just falls into line and starts behaving exactly as whoever is responsible for this wanted them to behave.  And so today the entire focus of the so-called Republican Party, conservative movement, is on Ted Cruz and not Hillary Clinton and not Bernie Sanders, who, by the way, I'm gonna remind you again, is creeping up and is so close to Mrs. Clinton. They are getting practically paranoid, petrified with fear inside the Clinton campaign over Bernie, not just where he is in the polls in some of these states, but the amount of money he's raising. 

You're not reading about it because the Drive-By Media circle the wagons doing everything they can to protect Hillary.  I mean, I have great example of that in The Politico today that is hilarious, and I will do you the honor of analyzing it and translating it for you, 'cause it is just classic, how they're trying to distance Hillary from Obama now.  And the stretches and the extortions and the twists and the pretzel-like moves they make in order to create distance between Hillary and Obama is classically funny.  

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RUSH: Here is Mike in Bethel, Connecticut.  Great to have you on the EIB Network.  Hello.

CALLER:  Hello, Rush.  How are you?  I'm surprised they haven't outlawed tampons in California.

RUSH:  (laughing) Yeah, right.

CALLER:  Listen, I want to raise a hypothetical with you.  Let's say the Justice Department has an epiphany and does something proper with Hillary and she's out of the race. I think Bernie Sanders, for all his popularity and everything you've discussed, he, you know, has a strong showing out there, but he doesn't have one or two of the things that Obama has, you know, one being the first African-American president, and everybody had glow in their eyes.  So I think the question becomes what do the Democrats do, and there will be lots of smoke filled back rooms where people are wondering, 'cause I don't think O'Malley will be the choice, and Biden isn't gonna --

RUSH:  Now, now, now, wait just a second, because it's interesting that you mentioned this, because I don't think Hillary is gonna be indicted.  I know. I respect Joe diGenova, and just to repeat, diGenova thinks she's gonna be indicted in 60 days.  He thinks the FBI is just loaded up with evidence; it's so much evidence that if the attorney general does not charge that there's gonna be a revolt at the FBI like there was in Watergate when the solicitor general refused to fire somebody on Nixon's order.

That's when Bork came along and did it. He thinks there's gonna be a revolt, diGenova says. Look, he's the guy. He's been there. He would know. He's not gonna just say this off the top of his head. He's got to know this.  He's the kind of person who would have the connections to know how close the FBI is, what kind of evidence they had, how much of it.  He wouldn't be going out saying this stuff. Unless he's senile.  And I just saw him on TV. He doesn't look senile.  He says, "Look, it is mountainous, and they are continuing to investigate."

They're up to 1400 e-mails that she trafficked in that are classified, and they're adding to it all the time.  And there's more evidence than just that.  And he thinks there's no way she won't be indicted in 60 days, and that if Loretta Lynch and Obama pull the plug on it and don't indict, that there's gonna be a revolt, that that's how much evidence they've got.  I can't see it.  For one of the reasons you brought up: Who are they gonna have? The Democrat Party runs this Regime or you should you could say this Regime is the Democrat Party.

I mean, if they indict Hillary, they are knowingly taking her out of the race.  Now, if that happens, folks, it means they never wanted her in this in the first place -- and 2007, 2008 was not a coincidence, that Obama just didn't decide to surface and run, come out of nowhere and win.  If that happens, it means that somebody somewhere doesn't want the Clintons anywhere back near the White House or presidential power.  I can't see it.  And it's not because I don't believe that the Clintons are immune and that they are not held accountable the same forces we all are.

I just don't see the Democrat Party, Obama taking her out?  I might be persuaded somebody who knew that maybe there's a genuine animus that Obama has for Hillary, maybe Obama does not want her responsible for continuing his legacy.  I'd have to be told this, though, and I'd have to be told this in a very convincing way by somebody who knew.  I don't want to suppose this.  But if it does happen, Martin O'Malley is not gonna be the guy.  But don't discount Bernie Sanders.  I mean, yeah, he's not gonna be the first anything other than old guy. 

Hillary would be the first woman, but, you know, Bernie's not Hispanic, he's not female, he's not transgender. No first there.  But he is raising money. He's raising a lot of money, and his polling numbers are closer to Hillary in a few states that anybody knows.  But don't forget over there old Plugs.  Remember when Plugs made his big announcement, Biden, that he wasn't going to run for president. When he was finished, what was everybody's reaction?  That sounded sure as heck like a guy who is running.  He laid out what his agenda would be. 

He laid out what his reason for running would be. He laid out what he wanted to accomplish.  In the midst of saying he wasn't gonna do it.  And some people said, "You know what?  This sounds like a guy who is laying down markers for getting in this race if something untoward happens to front-runners and he has to get in. He's already got the groundwork laid, the framework put out," and he's talking about it.  He's out there... There's a story. I got a story in the Stack today, Plugs is saying he thinks every day about running for president.

Every day he thinks about doing it, every day he thinks about his decision not to do it, every

Thursday, January 7, 2016

Hillary Could Face Indictment within 60 days

As Written By Sarah Westwood for The Washington Examiner:

A former U.S. attorney thinks Hillary Clinton could face a criminal indictment from the FBI within the next 60 days.

Joe DiGenova, a Republican U.S. attorney appointed by President Reagan, said Clinton’s “biggest problem right now” is the open FBI investigation into the contents of her private emails.

“They have reached a critical mass in their investigation of the secretary and all of her senior staff,” DiGenova said Tuesday on the “Laura Ingraham Show” radio program. “And, it’s going to come to a head, I would suggest, in the next 60 days.”

FBI Director James Comey has refused to answer questions about when his agents will wrap up a months-long probe into whether Clinton and her staff mishandled classified information on an unsecured network.

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For Hillary Clinton, old news or new troubles?

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The ghosts of the 1990s have returned to confront Hillary Clinton, released from the vault by Donald Trump and revved up by a 21st-century version of the scandal machine that almost destroyed her husband’s presidency.

This is a moment that her campaign has long expected. What remains to be seen is whether a reminder of allegations of sexual impropriety against Bill Clinton — which were deemed to have varying levels of credibility when they were first aired — can gain new traction in a different context.

The fresher case being made is that Hillary Clinton has been, at a minimum, hypocritical about her husband’s treatment of women, and possibly even complicit in discrediting his accusers.

And it is being pressed at a time when there is a new sensitivity toward victims of unwanted sexual contact, and when one of the biggest news stories is the prosecution of once-beloved comedian Bill Cosby on charges that he drugged and assaulted a woman 12 years ago — one of dozens who have accused him of similar behavior.

In November, Hillary Clinton tweeted: “Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported.” She has made women’s issues a central focus of her campaign and is counting on a swell of support for the historic prospect of the first female president.

Former president Bill Clinton spoke in New Hampshire on Jan. 4, his first speech in support of his wife, Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, in 2016. (The Washington Post)

Clinton’s campaign appears confident that Americans will see all of this as old news, and that her husband will remain an asset to her efforts to get his old job. It is happening early in the campaign season, and Trump himself has come under heavy criticism for his many boorish comments about women.

Trump started hammering on Bill Clinton’s behavior in retaliation for Hillary Clinton’s assertion, during a pre-Christmas interview with the Des Moines Register, that Trump has demonstrated a “penchant for sexism.”

“Hillary Clinton has announced that she is letting her husband out to campaign but HE’S DEMONSTRATED A PENCHANT FOR SEXISM, so inappropriate!” Trump tweeted on Dec. 26.

In an interview Monday on CNN, Trump amped up his rhetoric, calling Bill Clinton “one of the great women abusers of all time” and saying Hillary Clinton was his “enabler.”

Both Clintons have declined to comment on Trump’s latest barrages against them.

Until Trump turned his outsized media spotlight to Bill Clinton’s past sexual behavior, the issue had largely receded to the darker corners of the Internet, although it had continued to percolate.

Last month, a woman in the audience at a Clinton campaign event in New Hampshire asked her: “You say that all rape victims should be believed. But would you say that about Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and/or Paula Jones?”

It was not a spontaneous question. The woman read from a card and mispronounced the first two names she mentioned.

But to anyone who followed the sagas of the Clinton presidency, they were familiar ones:

●Broaddrick had accused Bill Clinton of raping her in 1978, when she was working on his Arkansas gubernatorial campaign.

●Willey, a former White House volunteer, said he had attempted to kiss and grope her in a private hallway leading to the Oval Office.

●Jones, a onetime Arkansas state employee, sued Clinton in 1994 for sexual harassment, saying he had three years earlier exposed his erect penis to her and asked her to kiss it.

And, of course, the biggest of all was the scandal over Clinton’s extramarital affair with Monica Lewinsky, who was a White House intern at the time. Diane Blair, a close friend of Hillary Clinton, wrote in her journal unearthed in 2014 that the then-first lady had privately called Lewinsky a “narcissistic loony toon.”

Publicly, Clinton’s defenders were at times brutal in their characterizations of the women who made sexual allegations against him. “If you drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find,” James Carville, Bill Clinton’s former strategist, once said.

Yet Bill Clinton settled Jones’s lawsuit in November 1998 for $850,000, acknowledging no wrongdoing and offering no apology. Just under a month later, he was impeached by the House on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice that stemmed from Jones’s lawsuit; he was acquitted by the Senate.

He also denied both Willey and Broaddrick’s allegations.

But all of these past accusations are being stirred up again, including by some who claim they were his victims.

Broaddrick, now a Trump supporter, tweeted Wednesday: “I was 35 years old when Bill Clinton, Ark. Attorney General raped me and Hillary tried to silence me. I am now 73. . . .it never goes away.”

In an interview, she said she had watched Bill Clinton’s first solo campaign appearance on his wife’s behalf on television Monday.

“He looked so beaten, and he looked like everything in his past was catching up to him. He looked so downtrodden. It made my heart sing,” Broaddrick said.

And she is not the only one.

Tom Watson, owner of Maverick Investigations, an Arizona-based private investigative agency, built a website — “A Scandal a Day” — for Willey last spring, shortly after Hillary Clinton declared she was running for president. It aims to bring forward new allegations.

The site went live in June, Watson said, and in the first two hours it received 100,000 hits.

“Kathleen is going to be very popular this year,” Watson predicted.

Last month, Aaron Klein, a writer for such right-of-center publications as World Net Daily and host of a weekly radio talk show, wrote an article on Breitbart.com headlined “In Their Own Words: Why Bill’s ‘Bimbos’ Fear a Hillary Presidency.”

In it, Klein described how his radio program had become “a support center of sorts” for Bill Clinton’s female accusers — “a safe-space for these women to sound off about the way they were allegedly treated by both Bill and Hillary.”

In the article, Klein quotes Broaddrick, Willey and Gennifer Flowers, an actress who had an affair with Clinton when he was governor.

In what Klein described as Flowers’s only interview since Clinton announced her candidacy, Flowers accused Hillary of being “an enabler that has encouraged [Bill] to go out and do whatever he does with women.”

“I think it’s a joke,” Klein quotes Flowers as saying, “that she would run on women’s issues.”

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Wednesday, April 16, 2014

BOMBSHELL! Lois Lerner Tried to Get Obama DOJ and FEC to Also Attack Tea Party Groups

Lois Lerner sent the following email to the Obama Department of Justice in May 2013.
“I got a call today from Richard Pilger Director Elections Crimes Branch at DOJ … He wanted to know who at IRS the DOJ folk s [sic] could talk to about Sen. Whitehouse idea at the hearing that DOJ could piece together false statement cases about applicants who “lied” on their 1024s –saying they weren’t planning on doing political activity, and then turning around and making large visible political expenditures. DOJ is feeling like it needs to respond, but want to talk to the right folks at IRS to see whether there are impediments from our side and what, if any damage this might do to IRS programs. I told him that sounded like we might need several folks from IRS,” Lerner wrote in a May 8, 2013 email to former Nikole C. Flax, who was former-Acting IRS Commissioner Steven T. Miller’s chief of staff.
“I think we should do it – also need to include CI [Criminal Investigation Division], which we can help coordinate. Also, we need to reach out to FEC. Does it make sense to consider including them in this or keep it separate?” Flax responded on May 9, 2013. 
After this email exchange, Lerner handed things off to Senior Technical Adviser and Attorney Nancy Marks, who was in charge of setting up a meeting with DOJ.

IRS-Collusion-Email
This news follows the revelation that the second ranking member in the House Oversight Committee, Democrat Elijah Cummings, worked in collusion with the IRS in attacking True the Vote, a group out of Houston who works against voter fraud. Cummings had earlier denied any coordination with the IRS, but that denial has been proven to be a lie.
As this news breaks, Lois Lerner is waiting to see if the House will hold her in contempt after the House Oversight Committee voted to hold her in contempt. TPNN  also previously reported that Lerner “referred to the Justice Department by the House Ways and Means Committee for potential prosecution of her actions. If convicted of the crimes for which she has been accused, she could face 11 years in prison.”
Given the collusion between the Obama Department of InJustice and Lerner in relation to this IRS scandal and attack against Tea Party and conservative groups, many do not believe that Eric Holder will act against her. His refusal to appoint a private and independent investigator into this scandal has been met with criticism from those on the right side of the aisle.
Despite this mounting evidence of collusion between Democrats, the IRS, and the DOJ, President Obama claimed during an interview on Super Bowl Sunday that there was not a smidgen of corruption in regards to the matter.

Sunday, April 13, 2014

Cruz: Holder Should be Impeached if No Action on IRS Scandal



Written By : Dustin Siggins
April 12, 2014
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) isn’t pulling any punchesTed Cruz2
On Thursday, the House Oversight Committee held former IRS agent Lois Lerner in contempt of Congress, only one day after the House Ways & Means Committee sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder asking him to prosecute Lerner. On Thursday night, Cruz told Sean Hannity that Holder should be impeached if the Department of Justice refuses to act:
Cruz said Holder’s actions were not in keeping with the policies of the Justice Department, which has “a bipartisan tradition of resisting partisan pressure and upholding the rule of law.”
He cited examples of previous attorneys general, such as Janet Reno and Elliot Richardson, as models for how the department should be run.
Cruz described Holder as “the most partisan attorney general the country has ever had,” Breitbart reported.
Cruz also said he was “very pleased” that Lerner was held in contempt by the House Oversight Committee, but criticized the Obama administration for not moving to indict one person eight months after the inspector general concluded that the IRS had wrongfully targeted conservative groups for heightened scrutiny.
Cruz also took aim at President Barack Obama for appointing a Democrat, who was a fundraiser for his presidential campaign, to lead the IRS investigation…


Actually, Holder should have been impeached over Fast & Furious, as well as for telling state Attorneys General to ignore state laws on marriage. But given Congress’ proclivity for cowardice when it comes to standing against the Executive Branch, one can only hope that a lack of action against Lerner would be the proverbial final straw for many Members who would rather abase themselves than follow Cruz’s lead.
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Sunday, March 9, 2014

high crimes and misdemeanors in presidential impeachment

Meaning of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"

by Jon Roland, Constitution Society

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The question of impeachment turns on the meaning of the phrase in the Constitution at Art. II Sec. 4, "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors". I have carefully researched the origin of the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" and its meaning to the Framers, and found that the key to understanding it is the word "high". It does not mean "more serious". It refers to those punishable offenses that only apply to high persons, that is, to public officials, those who, because of their official status, are under special obligations that ordinary persons are not under, and which could not be meaningfully applied or justly punished if committed by ordinary persons.



Under the English common law tradition, crimes were defined through a legacy of court proceedings and decisions that punished offenses not because they were prohibited by statutes, but because they offended the sense of justice of the people and the court. Whether an offense could qualify as punishable depended largely on the obligations of the offender, and the obligations of a person holding a high position meant that some actions, or inactions, could be punishable if he did them, even though they would not be if done by an ordinary person.
Offenses of this kind survive today in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It recognizes as punishable offenses such things as perjury of oath, refusal to obey orders, abuse of authority, dereliction of duty, failure to supervise, moral turpitude, and conduct unbecoming. These would not be offenses if committed by a civilian with no official position, but they are offenses which bear on the subject's fitness for the duties he holds, which he is bound by oath or affirmation to perform.
Perjury is usually defined as "lying under oath". That is not quite right. The original meaning was "violation of one's oath (or affirmation)".
The word "perjury" is usually defined today as "lying under oath about a material matter", but that is not its original or complete meaning, which is "violation of an oath". We can see this by consulting the original Latin from which the term comes. From An Elementary Latin Dictionary, by Charlton T. Lewis (1895), Note that the letter "j" is the letter "i" in Latin.
periurium, i, n,, a false oath, perjury.
periurus, adj., oath-breaking, false to vows, perjured. iuro, avi, atus, are, to swear, take an oath.
iurator, oris, m., a swearer.
iuratus, adj., sworn under oath, bound by an oath.
ius, iuris, that which is binding, right, justice, duty.
per, ... IV. Of means or manner, through, by, by means of, ... under pretense of, by the pretext of, ....
By Art. II Sec. 1 Cl. 8, the president must swear: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." He is bound by this oath in all matters until he leaves office. No additional oath is needed to bind him to tell the truth in anything he says, as telling the truth is pursuant to all matters except perhaps those relating to national security. Any public statement is perjury if it is a lie, and not necessary to deceive an enemy.
When a person takes an oath (or affirmation) before giving testimony, he is assuming the role of an official, that of "witness under oath", for the duration of his testimony. That official position entails a special obligation to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and in that capacity, one is punishable in a way he would not be as an ordinary person not under oath. Therefore, perjury is a high crime.
An official such as the president does not need to take a special oath to become subject to the penalties of perjury. He took an oath, by Art. II Sec. 1 Cl. 8, to "faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States" and to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" to the best of his ability. While he holds that office, he is always under oath, and lying at any time constitutes perjury if it is not justified for national security.
Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr erred in presenting in his referral only those offenses which could be "laid at the feet" of the president. He functioned like a prosecutor of an offense against criminal statutes that apply to ordinary persons and are provable by the standards of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt". That is not to say that such offenses are not also high crimes or misdemeanors when committed by an official bound by oath. Most such offenses are. But "high crimes and misdemeanors" also includes other offenses, applicable only to a public official, for which the standard is "preponderance of evidence". Holding a particular office of trust is not a right, but a privilege, and removal from such office is not a punishment. Disablement of the right to hold any office in the future would be a punishment, and therefore the standards of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" would apply before that ruling could be imposed by the Senate.
It should be noted, however, that when an offense against a statute is also a "high crime or misdemeanor", it may be, and usually is, referred to by a different name, when considered as such. Thus, an offense like "obstruction of justice" or "subornation of perjury" may become "abuse of authority" when done by an official bound by oath. As such it would be grounds for impeachment and removal from office, but would be punishable by its statutory name once the official is out of office.
An executive official is ultimately responsible for any failures of his subordinates and for their violations of the oath he and they took, which means violations of the Constitution and the rights of persons. It is not necessary to be able to prove that such failures or violations occurred at his instigation or with his knowledge, to be able, in Starr's words, to "lay them at the feet" of the president. It is sufficient to show, on the preponderance of evidence, that the president was aware of misconduct on the part of his subordinates, or should have been, and failed to do all he could to remedy the misconduct, including termination and prosecution of the subordinates and compensation for the victims or their heirs. The president's subordinates include everyone in the executive branch, and their agents and contractors. It is not limited to those over whom he has direct supervision. He is not protected by "plausible deniability". He is legally responsible for everything that everyone in the executive branch is doing.
Therefore, the appropriate subject matter for an impeachment and removal proceeding is the full range of offenses against the Constitution and against the rights of persons committed by subordinate officials and their agents which have not been adequately investigated or remedied. The massacre at Waco, the assault at Ruby Ridge, and many, many other illegal or excessive assaults by federal agents, and the failure of the president to take action against the offenders, is more than enough to justify impeachment and removal from office on grounds of dereliction of duty. To these we could add the many suspicious incidents that indicate covered up crimes by federal agents, including the suspicious deaths of persons suspected of being knowledgeable of wrongdoing by the president or others in the executive branch, or its contractors.
The impeachment and removal process should be a debate on the entire field of proven and suspected misconduct by federal officials and agents under this president, and if judged to have been excessive by reasonable standards, to be grounds for removal, even if direct complicity cannot be shown.